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Follow the Water: Interview with Author Ellen Cochrane

How long would you last by yourself… in the Amazon rainforest… after surviving a plane crash?  Although this sounds like a work of fiction, Ellen Cochrane’s new book, Follow the Water, is an account of Juliane Koepcke’s unbelievable survival story.

In addition, Ellen includes informational sections that explain in better detail facts about the Amazon, including information on plants, animals, weather, and the culture and beliefs. I enjoyed interviewing her to learn more…

About the Book

Hi Ellen! Wow, what a life Julianne has led! Thank you for bringing her story to life. Can you give a summary of your new book, Follow the Water?

Follow the Water tells the true survival story of Juliane Koepcke, a 17-year-old girl who fell two miles from the sky when her plane disintegrated over the Amazon rainforest in 1971. She survived the fall—alone—then trekked for eleven days through flooded jungle, following her father’s advice to “follow the water” until she reached help.

The book blends narrative storytelling with science, ecology, and survival principles. It emphasizes how careful observation, rational thinking, and scientific understanding can guide decision-making—even in moments of fear. At a time when public conversation can be driven by opinion, rumor, or online manipulation, the story gently reinforces the value of evidence-based thinking and attention to the natural world.

About the Author

I’d love to learn more about you. What was your path to becoming a writer? (and your connection to writing nonfiction)

I began as a journal writer and kept detailed notebooks for years before publishing professionally. I’ve been a magazine writer for many years, working in narrative nonfiction, natural history, and had a wildlife column.

I’ve always been drawn to real stories—especially those rooted in wilderness, history, and resilience. Nonfiction allows me to combine research with storytelling and to explore how knowledge shapes survival.

Were there any books that inspired the style you wrote in?

I’m inspired by nature- and natural history–driven narratives that combine story with close observation of the land. Writers like Jim Kjelgaard, especially in works such as Big Red and Irish Red, shaped my understanding of how landscape and animals can function as a characters.

I aim for immersive storytelling grounded in research, where environment, science, and human decision-making intersect.

Tell us about your upcoming books.

My next book, The Siberian, is a wilderness survival story set in the Russian Far East involving family bonds and tiger conservation.

I’m also developing a narrative STEM project centered on young people making authentic scientific discoveries—story-driven, interview-based, and focused on how curiosity leads to real-world insight.

On Writing Nonfiction

Why did you choose to tackle this topic?

Juliane’s story stayed with me from the moment I learned about it. A teenage girl survives a lightning strike midair, a two-mile fall, and eleven days alone in the Amazon.

But what truly drew me in was that she survived because she paid attention. She understood the jungle. She remembered her father’s lessons. This is a story about knowledge, observation, and composure under pressure.

I should also add that I was an exchange student in Peru as a teenager and flew the same jungle flight path where Juliane’s accident occurred. That personal connection deepened my interest in her story and the region.

What was your main source of information?

My primary sources included Juliane Koepcke’s memoir, archival aviation records, scientific studies on the Amazon ecosystem, and contemporary news accounts.

Juliane has long been deeply uncomfortable with the intense attention surrounding her survival and the intrusion into her private life. She does not give personal interviews about the accident. However, she is enthusiastic about discussing Panguana, the biological research station her parents founded. She continues to advocate for it and works to expand and protect its acreage.

Because I can read Spanish and I have a conversational ability, I was able to access and study original Spanish-language news reports and archival materials, which helped deepen the historical accuracy of the book.

Any tips for writing a biography when interviewing the subject isn’t an option?

  • Rely on primary documents and firsthand accounts.
  • Cross-check every detail through multiple sources.
  • Study the setting and historical context thoroughly.
  • Avoid inventing interior thoughts or dialogue.

Careful research creates narrative credibility.

You have an interesting mix of story and informational sections. What was your thought process on setting up the book in this way?

I structured the book so the narrative carries emotional momentum, while the informational sections—what I think of as science features or contextual notes—deepen understanding.

When Juliane encounters a river, readers learn how river systems work. When she faces insects or predators, readers learn the ecology behind them.

Illustrations in the book by Caroline Church

The goal is immersion paired with understanding.

Writers sometimes have difficulty knowing how to bring a biography to life. Any tips?

  • Begin with tension.
  • Anchor scenes in sensory details supported by research.
  • Keep stakes visible.
  • Focus on decisions and consequences.

Readers connect when they see how choices shape outcomes.

How did you handle dialogue?

I included only dialogue documented in reliable sources in print and media. When exact wording was unavailable, I summarized rather than invented.

Restraint is essential in narrative nonfiction.

For Teachers

Do you have a curriculum guide or discussion questions posted online?

A curriculum guide and discussion materials will be available on my website in April.

Are you doing school visits related to this book?

Yes. I present to students in grades five through high school.

Presentations focus on:

  • Survival science
  • Amazon ecology
  • Decision-making under pressure
  • How research becomes narrative nonfiction
  • The role of scientific thinking in real-world problem-solving

I offer both in-person visits in Northern California and Zoom conversations for schools elsewhere. My school presentations are free; I do not charge.

How can we learn more about you?

Website: www.ellencochrane.com
Social media: Facebook: @CochraneEllen | Instagram: @EllenMCochrane | TikTok: @AuthorTalk 

These are my anchor Hashtags:

  1. #FollowTheWater
  2. #MiddleGradeBooks
  3. #SurvivalStory

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Thanks for your time, Ellen. Follow the Water comes out March 17!




GET A CLUE with Author Fleur Bradley

I’m delighted to welcome award-winning author Fleur Bradley to the blog. I first discovered Fleur when I devoured her middle grade mystery Midnight at the Barclay Hotel. With its clever clues and spectacular twist, it felt very Agatha Christie for kids. I became an instant fan. She followed with Daybreak on Raven Island, another page-turning mystery that kept me guessing right to the very end. Book cover of Midnight at The Barclay Hotel

Now Fleur is sharing her sleuthing secrets in Get a Clue (available April 7th) , a smart, practical guide for anyone ready to crack the code of writing MG and YA mysteries. Packed with clear, actionable advice, the book offers valuable insights for writers at every stage. Even with a couple of books under my belt, I had several “aha” moments that will serve me well moving forward.

Time to follow the clues to Fleur’s success . . .

Lisa: What inspired you to write a craft book specifically about MG and YA mysteries?

Fleur: I had been teaching mystery writing to kidlit authors for years, and kept looking for books to recommend my students. I realized there wasn’t anything out there that speaks specifically to writing MG or YA mysteries, so… I wrote it. It took me a while, but Get a Clue: How to Plot, Write, and Sell Your MG or YA Mystery is out in April. I really hope it helps writers and gets them excited about writing mysteries for kids or teens.

Lisa: You talk about “picking the crime”. What makes a crime appropriate for MG versus YA?

Get a Clue book cover.

Fleur: For MG, you have to remember that kids as young as seven or eight years old will read your book, so it’s best if the crime happens off-screen or isn’t too gory—like in a cozy mystery. For older MG or YA, anything goes, but you do want to think about your target reader. MG readers (and YA readers often, too) read a mystery to put the clues together and solve the puzzle—that’s the fun. So focus your story on that element of the mystery,
particularly for younger readers.

Lisa: You discuss building an outline using sequences. Can you explain that approach?

Fleur: When I got my start writing mysteries, I mainly wrote short stories. I struggled with keeping track of my plot and character ARC for the length of a novel. I learned that script writers often use sequences to build their story—eight to ten of them, forming the building blocks for a screenplay. You can use that same approach to plot or revise your novel; it makes an entire novel’s worth of words more manageable. One sequence builds upon the next, in a classic story arc. It’s very practical way to plot, but not so restrictive that it takes the fun out of drafting the story.

Lisa: How do you avoid info-dumping while still giving readers enough evidence?

Fleur: This sequence method I use makes it a lot easier: I simply make sure that there’s a clue (or usually more than one) in each sequence, so I’m playing fair with the reader. By the end of the story, you want to make sure that there’s only one conclusion to the mystery (the aha! whodunit). The reader should be able to go back and put together the puzzle—this is not easy to accomplish as writer. A lot of this careful revelation and pacing is done in revision. So don’t be too hard on yourself if it takes a while to get it right.

Lisa: Do you recommend outlining before drafting, or can discovery writers succeed in mystery?

Fleur: You can take either approach; sometimes people think that writing a mystery means you have to outline in detail, and that’s not the case at all. I use the sequence method to create a rough framework, but then I discover the story as I write. For my MG mystery Midnight at the Barclay Hotel, I had no idea who had murdered Mr. Barclay—I simply investigated the mystery along with the kids in the story (it was so much fun, y’all…). Once I finished writing the rough draft and uncovered whodunit, I simply revised and placed clues so it became the only natural conclusion.

On the flipside, you can outline in detail, which means there’s less editing to be done after… I just struggle with outlining, so I use a mixed approach of broad outlining and fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants writing.

Lisa: How do you plant clues without making them too obvious—or too invisible?

Book cover of Daybreak on Raven Island

Fleur: I use that sequence method of outlining to sprinkle clues like breadcrumbs, leading the reader to solve the mystery. It’s very much like a game. You can use beta readers to check if your clue revelation is too obvious or not obvious enough. This is definitely a balancing act—some readers will catch on quickly, while others might not ‘get’ the mystery until the reveal.

Lisa: What is the most common pitfall you see in mystery manuscripts?

Fleur: I often see writers start slow, or have character moments that go on a bit too long and drag the pace. Mysteries do need a certain amount of tension surrounding the clue hunt, and characters who are going places and doing stuff. You still want three-dimensional characters and depth, but those moments must be woven into plot in mysteries. So have your characters in conversation while they’re following a lead, rather than slowing the plot down.

Lisa: If a writer wants to start writing their mystery this week, what is their first step?

Fleur: Find your crime, character, and setting, and just test the waters with a scene or two. See if you like where it’s going enough to make a book out of it. You can then work on an outline, a character arc, your whodunit, etc. But remember that this is supposed to be fun. Mysteries really are the best.

Lightning Round:

Lisa: One must-read MG mystery?

Fleur: No fair, I can’t pick just one…! Adrianna Cuevas’s The Ghost of Rancho Espanto. Chris Grabenstein’s Lemoncello
series. Varian Johnson’s The Parker Inheritance. Hart & Souls by Lisa Schmid. I could go on for a while…

Lisa: Favorite mystery trope?

Fleur: The gathering of all suspects (in the library) while the detective does their spiel to reveal whodunit. Classic fun.

Lisa: One word that defines a great mystery.  

Fleur: Aha!

Lisa: What great answers! This has been informative and inspiring. Thank you so much for visiting From the Mixed-Up Files to chat about your new book. I truly appreciate your time and expertise. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a most intriguing crime to plot—strictly on the page, of course. 

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About Fleur Bradley:

Fleur Bradley is the author of award-winning middle-grade mysteries Daybreak on Raven Island and Midnight at the Barclay Hotel (Viking/PRH), and the Double Vision trilogy (HarperCollins), as well as numerous non-fiction titles for the educational market. Recently, she compiled her
process for writing mysteries for tweens in Get a Clue: How to Plot, Write, and Sell Your MG or YA Mystery (2026).

Image of Fleur Bradley Fleur’s short stories have appeared in the MWA anthology Super-Puzzletastic Mysteries, SCBWI’s The Haunted States of America (a story representing Colorado). How to Teach Yourself to Swim, originally published in Dark Yonder, was chosen for The Best Mystery Stories of the Year 2024. Fleur’s work has been nominated for the Agatha and Anthony Award and has won the Colorado Book Award and Colorado Authors League Book Award, among others.

A reluctant reader herself, Fleur is also a literacy advocate and speaks at events on how to reach reluctant readers. Originally from the Netherlands, she now lives in a small cottage in the foothills of the Colorado Rockies where she fosters rescue animals.

For more information about Fleur visit fleurbradley.com.

Listen to an in-depth interview with Fleur on Writers With Wrinkles. 

Landslides and landfills make for great reads!

Betty Culley Young Adult and Middle Grade Book Author

Maine author Betty Culley has lived the effects of a landfill on a small rural community. A commercial landfill situated less than five miles from her home collapsed in 1989. Garbage that had covered 12.5 acres was, within moments, spread across 25 acres. The land surrounding that site still is a landfill (now operating on 158 of their 1,267 acres) and it now supplies waste capacity for towns and businesses all throughout New England and beyond. It also provides jobs and contributes to the community, sponsoring school sporting events and more. Given her experiences, this Maine writer wanted to paint a realistic picture of what it’s like for kids in a small town where a large, commercial landfill is situated.

In Landslide, the main character, ten year old Nathan Savage, lives right across the road from a landfill, where the mountain of garbage is reaching 90 feet. This landfill provides employment for Nathan’s dad, who works on top of the heap driving the huge compactor that compresses the garbage. The landfill also  sponsors Nathan’s hockey team. At the same time, Nathan’s mom closes her curtains during daylight hours and chooses to work  at night when the garbage trucks are not rumbling past the house. She works at home stitching shoes for a local shoe shop. The landfill is on land her own parents once farmed, and where she grew up playing in the fields and listening to birds sing.

Landslide - A Middle Grade Book by Betty Culley

Nathan, the book’s narrator,  has an extraordinary ability to perceive motion. Per Betty, this ability  “is not a documented talent. It’s something I made up. Maybe a bit of magical realism, but also, there’s the suggestion that when you pay close attention to the world around you, you may notice  things other people don’t. I wanted to have kids realize that noticing the natural world can be its own gift. You might observe what  others might not notice because you’re paying attention.”

The downside of living near a landfill is portrayed honestly, including the pervasive odor, the noise of truck traffic and the contamination of a local stream on a organic dairy farm that Nathan loves to visit.  Betty carried out extensive research on the solid waste industry, created sympathetic characters and provided an even handed portrayal of the economic benefits of the landfill. Nathan’s quirky friend, Wilder Bacon, learns about landfills and “garbology” as Nathan observes subtle movements and shifting on the hill. Nathan explains to Wilder that a landslide is inevitable and how he worries that his dad might be hurt or even killed in the collapse.

Betty became interested in telling Nathan’s story in part because the landfill that collapsed in 1989  is now the site of the only commercial landfill operation in Maine and is owned by the largest trash management company in the world.  It’s also where she brings her own trash. As she wrote Nathan’s story, Betty researched the history of trash management in her own town. “I live on 85 acres in a small town in Maine. Our town used to have an open pit dump where the  trash was burnt when it got full.” When open pit dumps were banned, engineered landfills with leachate collection systems became the norm. She learned that a few, like the one near Betty’s home, take special waste such as oily debris and forever chemicals.

Regarding the family that lives across from her local landfill, Betty reports, “They’re in their 80s and still live there, where their parents farmed, right across from the entrance to the landfill and they still have cows. Their persistence and steadfastness was a great part of my inspiration.” Betty strove to write an even handed story because she wanted to answer the question, “How do we live with these things?”

“I also have seen how the waste management industry has changed,” she says. Betty sees that efforts are being made to improve landfill safety as well as urging people to reuse, recycle and reduce reliance on single use products.

In many ways, Landslide parallels community efforts nowadays to deal with giant corporations creating data centers which can create problems such as drought due to water usage, or excessive energy bills.

Betty, who writes realistic young adult and middle grade novels and is a keen observer of adolescent and young adult perspectives, has been writing since she was a little girl. She says, “I always wanted to publish a book but I didn’t have a lot of self-confidence so I didn’t share my writing for a long time. Then I joined a writers’ group and started sharing my writing and learned more about the publishing world and the process of querying agents.” That changed her perspective and approach. “I couldn’t be shy about my writing anymore. It really is a dream come true to have my words out in the world.”

Betty’s interest in writing is definitely coupled with her interest in learning, researching and realism.  Once she decided to portray Nathan’s mother as a shoemaker she researched the Maine shoemaking industry. “I met a woman who was a hand sewer and she showed me her tools. She laid out her tools and showed me her thread and how she taped her hands.” Betty adds, “Shoe shops were very big in Maine at one time and there is still hand sewing being done here.”

Per Betty, Nathan’s mother chooses to work at night and keep the drapes drawn against the landfill, “as a survival mechanism. I think it was the idea that there was something beyond her control out there. It changed her beautiful view and peaceful quiet. Drawing closed the curtains and working at night is her way of trying to deal with it. Not to see it, not to hear it, not to smell it, if she can.”

The message here goes beyond Natham’s mom to the ways we all try to cope. “Whether it’s healthy or if it works, it’s all she can do. On this earth we all try to create beauty in our lives but there are things beyond our control, like a big building might be built near us or a highway might be rerouted, changing our view. That’s what happened to Nathan’s mom.”

At one point, Nathan sees his mom transplanting her perennials from the front yard to the backyard and he helps her, realizing it’s one of her ways of coping while living with the landfill.

There is tremendous reality and depth of life and character in this novel. Betty says this comes about almost magically. “The way I write, I’m not really a plotter. I’m kind of a pantser and when I write sometimes characters appear and there they are. It can feel like the muse is at work, kind of a magical thing. That’s what happened with Wilder. Having Wilder in the story was fun, especially because friendship is an important part of the book.”

“In all my novels that have social issues—Three Things I Know Are True has gun violence issues in it—I don’t really take sides. Instead, I strive to show the truth as best I can. It’s not about this is right and this is wrong. That’s not how I view writing. I try to find a voice and see what the character tells me.”

To assure that she was giving readers a well-rounded view of small communities and their landfills, Betty says she “talked to a landfill compactor operator, toured the giant state run landfill at Juniper Ridge, north of Bangor and stood on the working face watching the trucks come in.” She says everyone on all sides of the solid waste issue appear to share the same sentiment, “Garbage has to go somewhere.” So Betty “tried to look at the whole picture and how this industry affected one boy’s life and where he lives and what happens to him, his family, his friends, and his community.”

Nathan is a character who stays with readers long after we close the last page of the novel. A memorable image is of Nathan looking down at his house from atop a nearby hill as the landfill expansion begins and planning to plant more crabapple trees. That leaves readers wondering what Nathan might do next. Betty says, “I do have my own crabapple orchard with close to 20 crabapple trees. Some of them grow apples big enough to eat. Others have hard berries that birds love . I planted the orchard  simply for its blooms, its beauty.”

There’s a big takeaway in this novel, one that could make it a valuable all-community read for teachers and librarians who want to share the love of reading in their schools and communities. Betty describes that takeaway as “In life, sometimes there are big challenges we have to face, like what Nathan faced. Challenges that are right in front of you that don’t have easy answers and you have to rely on yourself and other people to find your way. And you can still find the beauty in your life.”

Betty had some specific advice for readers of all ages:

For the teachers and librarians – “The nature and volume of our garbage has dramatically changed and the generation coming up is going to have some real challenges. I hope that we can give students the tools for how to think about these things and learn how to help protect the environment. Maybe some of them will come up with ideas that are life changing for all of us.”

For students — “I’ve met with students and I’ve heard some of them talk about their concerns for the earth and the environment. Tell them I believe in them and I have faith in them to help things move forward. They’re thoughtful and they’re caring and I appreciate that. “

For more of Betty’s novels, you can visit her website: Betty Culley – Author of Young Adult & Middle Grade Novels Betty Culley | Author